Posts by Pete Zahut

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Are the 2015 Belgium Concert for Delegates and Kingdom Hall Cowboy Footloose Videos on Youtube for real?

by Maryo in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oo0fxyk4iba.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qxdgtaskfm.

i find these shocking.

Pete Zahut

At another wedding a few years later, a few brothers and me danced on a stage with make-up and the well known cleaning supplies from Queen's "I want to break free". At that occasion, one elder came to me, laughing, and said: "It was on the edge, actually a little bit over it." But no big deal really. They seem to acknowlege that it's healthy to let off some steam now and then

I agree...it's no big deal to ME it never was, but according to THEIR OWN teachings and directives NOT OURS , the Kingdom Hall is NOT a place to let off steam. It's Jehovah's house of pure worship. That's what millions of us were taught and we lived with it no matter how dull it was. Now suddenly, it's ok to blow off steam inside the Kingdom Hall and dance to "worldly" music on the Platform...the same Platform where "spiritual truths" are taught. "Spiritual Truths" that condemn the world and it's many forms of entertainment.

im just calling for balance
jehovah has full intention of disciplining his people because of the way they have treated us.

How does anyone really know for sure what Jehovah is or isn't going to do?? I've had a lifetime of hearing people claiming to know what God wants or doesn't want or what he is or isn't going to do and no matter what, it always turns out that God is going to whatever they think he should do. Sorry to be blunt but I just can't stomach it when people make unverifiable, unprovable claims like this. They come off sounding as if they think they are on some kind of inside track with God when it reality, like the rest of mankind, they haven't a clue what God is going to do next or if he even exists.

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Are the 2015 Belgium Concert for Delegates and Kingdom Hall Cowboy Footloose Videos on Youtube for real?

by Maryo in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oo0fxyk4iba.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qxdgtaskfm.

i find these shocking.

Pete Zahut

Why?....the KH s are not holy places.

most on here hated the strictness,.....so why complain about this .

seems to me they are dammed if they do and dammed if they don't.

i would have loved this in my time

You're right, it's nice that people get to have a bit of fun finally but you're missing the point.

I think the reason we are complaining is that Biblical evidence was given from the platform showing why our behavior in the Kingdom Hall was to be reverent and serious and we weren't to be imitating the world in our dancing an music. Philipians 4: 8 "...Whatever things are pure, whatever things are chaste, whatever things are upright, you must dwell on these things...."

We weren't even allowed to have a nice conservative worldly songs played at our Kingdom Hall weddings. For example, my Sister wanted her JW friend to play some classical music on her flute quietly in the background as people took their seats and waited for her K.Hall wedding to begin, The elders said it was unscriptural unless she was playing kingdom songs.

As you can see from the video, they are dancing to music from the movie "Footloose" which ironically was about teenagers rebelling against their religious parents who wouldn't allow them to have a school dance because it was unchristian. The JW men in this video are shaking their behinds at the audience and the women are whooping it up. In the past, people would have been "counseled" for doing this at a private get together let alone in the Kingdom Hall.

They told us from the platform and in the literature, quoting the Bible, that these things were wrong. If it was wrong back then why is it ok now. What else are they going to approve that used to be considered unscriptural?

My Father Died from not taking a blood transfusion. A year or so later they approved the use of blood fractions which would have saved him. They claim they are being directed by Jehovah. It's funny how Jehovah always changes his mind about what's ok and what's not ok, at the same time they want something changed.

Dancing, music and having fun isn't the issue here. Are they being led by Jehovah or not when they make the directives that Jehovah's Witnesses are supposed to obey and even die for?

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Obeying YHWH can make you sick

by fulltimestudent in

we were once told and re-told that obedience to yhwh and his side-kick would save our lives..

so how about this bit of real-life research that's currently emerging in academic circles?.

there were strict rules in the law code about how and where you could sh*t..

Pete Zahut

Looking forward to part 2

Post number #2 should be quite moving.

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Would I lie to you?

by slimboyfat in

jw
friends

given recent posts on the forum and discussion, maybe we could play this game: would i lie to you?

in the uk we have this tv programme where minor celebrities tell weird or embarrassing stories about themselves and the rest of the participants have to guess if it is a true story or made up.

when the others have voted then the person reveals if the story is true or false.

Pete Zahut

Pete that's four stories! I guess the naked GB member and the Diana stories are TRUE!

Slim, you are correct on both accounts.
When I was at Bethel, I sat at the Governing Body table where they conducted the morning worship every day so I got to meet and get to know them all including Fred and Ray Franz, Nathan Knorr and Dan Sydlik etc. Late one evening I went to the Bethel Pool . It was deserted which is what I was hoping for. I walked into the tiny locker room and there was Dan Sydlik (60+) standing there in the "altogether"(ewww). He looked startled and kind of P.O'd that I'd walked in at that moment and we both sort of froze. I didn't know what to do...just squeezed past his Lily white bulk, put my towel in a locker and got out of there. It was awkward to see him at the table for awhile after that. When I told my room mate about it he started cracking jokes and asking me if I'd seen his Governing Body "Member" or his Little Bethelite.

The story about Diana is true. I also have a cousin (who's name you'd recognize) who designed some of the gowns Diana was famous for. Some of them ended up in a "Diana" museum somewhere. My Uncle used to work security at the Palace and used to ride dirt bikes with Prince Charles.

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Would I lie to you?

by slimboyfat in

jw
friends

given recent posts on the forum and discussion, maybe we could play this game: would i lie to you?

in the uk we have this tv programme where minor celebrities tell weird or embarrassing stories about themselves and the rest of the participants have to guess if it is a true story or made up.

when the others have voted then the person reveals if the story is true or false.

Pete Zahut

in my opinion by encouraging this it paints everyone here in a bad light and only feeds the negative connotation jw'lurkers and WT adherents feel about apostates anyway that all we do is lie.

So now that I'm a NON JW, I'm supposed to display "exemplary behavior" lest I bring reproach upon other Non JW's ??

Sorry, I thought this was just a little game. Hopefully a "lurking" JW will realize this and be more concerned with why he or she is visiting an apostate website rather than trying to find fault with the posters on it. Besides, I left all that kind of pressure and nonsense behind a few years ago.

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Would I lie to you?

by slimboyfat in

jw
friends

given recent posts on the forum and discussion, maybe we could play this game: would i lie to you?

in the uk we have this tv programme where minor celebrities tell weird or embarrassing stories about themselves and the rest of the participants have to guess if it is a true story or made up.

when the others have voted then the person reveals if the story is true or false.

Pete Zahut

Would I lied to you??

I traveled with Aerosmith during their 1999 "9 Lives" tour, as a crew member setting up their sound system and lighting. Steven Tyler would fly in just before the concert. I was asked to pick him up at a private airport in Atlanta (his manager trusted me, an honest fresh faced JW) I had been reading the latest magazines while I waited for his plane to come in. He asked me about them as we drove to the Hotel but was absolutely not interested in anything that serious.

Would I lie to you??

My Great Great Grandfather (on my Mother's side) and Lady Diana's (Princess of Wales) Great Great Grandfather, (on her Mother's side) were brothers. When Dianna married Charles, we didn't attend because the wedding was held in Westminster Abbey (Babylon the great) and also because of the fact that we simply weren't invited.

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Would I lie to you?

by slimboyfat in

jw
friends

given recent posts on the forum and discussion, maybe we could play this game: would i lie to you?

in the uk we have this tv programme where minor celebrities tell weird or embarrassing stories about themselves and the rest of the participants have to guess if it is a true story or made up.

when the others have voted then the person reveals if the story is true or false.

Pete Zahut

Would I lie to you ??

I walked into a room one time and actually saw one of the Governing Body members (and his member) bare ass naked.

Would I lie to you??

I called on a Presbyterian minister at the door when I was in high school and he was so taken by my presentation and ability to use the bible, he asked me to speak to his congregation. I gave a talk in his Church the following Sunday entitled "Getting out of Babylon the Great". Several people began studies and as far as I know are still JW's to this day.

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Lawrence Onoda, Ph.D., Jehovah's Witness Psychologist

by Maryo in

in about 1980 i came to know of and meet one time with lawrence onoda, ph.d., a jehovah's witness psychologist [also i think elder] in southern california.

i was shocked to know there was such a thing in view of the wts traditional stance against jws consulting such a person!

he had been one of jws for six years at that time, i recall.

Pete Zahut

Before leaving the JW's I was plagued for years with terrible terrible anxiety. (It magically disappeared less than 2 weeks after I stopped going to meetings btw)

Before making my exit, I had a couple of visits with a JW who was a psychologist "counselor" and to be honest, she seemed very troubled herself. Before she would begin our sessions, she had me sign a release saying that if anything unscriptural was revealed during our sessions, she'd have to report it to the elders. She asked me if I thought my anxiety was caused by a bad conscience and if I was doing anything wrong. She even asked me to leave the room and called my wife in from the waiting room and I found out later that she asked my wife if I'd ever cheated on her or been doing anything wrong. I couldn't believe it ! I'd have sued anyone else for that.

It was weird to see her sitting a few seats away at the next assembly and seeing her giving me sideways glances. Luckily I made my exit a year or so later and as I said, anxiety hasn't been a problem since. The problem was not with me having a bad conscience rather it was caused by going to funeral like meetings 3 times a week and being told the world was going to end any minute, since I was a little boy. Real counselors know this is called PSD and child abuse.

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S.A.D. Observations from the assembly.

by Darkknight757 in

so we had brother losch visiting our special assembly day which was weird in itself.

he's not a very good speaker and seemed like he was in dire need of a nap or something.. anyways just a few observations from the assembly program.

theme: imitate their faith.

Pete Zahut

The brother mentioned the May 1990 Watchtower which mentions that unless you are baptized Yah may not be listening to your prayers. So it seems to me that this is a way to pressure people to get baptized so they can have that "unrestricted" approach to God. So was Jesus' prayers "restricted" prior to His baptism? I would think not being the Son and all.

What about all those unbaptized people who supposedly were praying to God for help and a JW arrived at their front door a few minutes later?

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Had the C.O visit this week...went out on service and Wow

by MrsR-Awaken in

this is my first post here (not being comments) but i still have to tell my story but for that i need to get my mind together in other to give as much detail as possible to be able to share it.

will do in a future post.. anyway i had to share this.. so i went out on service this morning (i never do i always end up excusing myself because i hate field service) reason i did was to see what the new c.o had to say and he sure did say something.

he was saying what we had to present and he went over the watchtower magazine.

Pete Zahut

The fact that C.O. encourages using manipulative means to spread the message, demonstrates that the doesn't have much confidence in Jehovah's holy spirit being able to direct the message to "honest hearted ones".